http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ASpreading_the_Mothers_ThornsTalk:Spreading the Mothers Thorns - Revision history2026-04-22T20:28:14ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.11http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Spreading_the_Mothers_Thorns&diff=65268&oldid=prevBruce at 17:04, 24 October 20182018-10-24T17:04:03Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>However in the system you need to be a little more specific as to area of effect because as written it could work equally well on a broom closet or a ballroom. And usually wards of this nature (and it is a ward) usually either effect a single item or are area based<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>I suggest the latter rather than the former, although another comparable ritual could effect individual items or people. This is a good ritual and it would be nice to see some flavor in the casting section. Good work! -- "The Magister 10:56, 24 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>However in the system you need to be a little more specific as to area of effect because as written it could work equally well on a broom closet or a ballroom. And usually wards of this nature (and it is a ward) usually either effect a single item or are area based<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Brucehttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Spreading_the_Mothers_Thorns&diff=65267&oldid=prevBruce at 17:02, 24 October 20182018-10-24T17:02:57Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>However in the system you need to be a little more specific as to area of effect <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be ause </del>as written it could work equally well on a broom closet <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to </del>a ballroom. And usually wards of this nature (and it is a ward) usually either effect a single item or are area based, I suggest the latter rather than the former, although another comparable ritual could effect individual items or people. This is a good ritual and it would be nice to see some flavor in the casting section. Good work! -- "The Magister 10:56, 24 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>However in the system you need to be a little more specific as to area of effect <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because </ins>as written it could work equally well on a broom closet <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or </ins>a ballroom. And usually wards of this nature (and it is a ward) usually either effect a single item or are area based, I suggest the latter rather than the former, although another comparable ritual could effect individual items or people. This is a good ritual and it would be nice to see some flavor in the casting section. Good work! -- "The Magister 10:56, 24 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td></tr>
</table>Brucehttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Spreading_the_Mothers_Thorns&diff=65266&oldid=prevBruce at 17:00, 24 October 20182018-10-24T17:00:55Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So my point here is this, you <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nneed </del>to establish a specific level for this ritual and then set it's difficulty based on the above examples.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So my point here is this, you <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">need </ins>to establish a specific level for this ritual and then set it's difficulty based on the above examples.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Brucehttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Spreading_the_Mothers_Thorns&diff=65265&oldid=prevBruce at 16:59, 24 October 20182018-10-24T16:59:28Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So my point here is this, you nneed to establish a specific level for this ritual and then set it's difficulty based on the above examples. All in all, I think it's a great example of a ritual with a good introduction and reasonable effects. However in the system you need to be a little more specific as to area of effect be ause as written it could work equally well on a broom closet to a ballroom. And usually wards of this nature (and it is a ward) usually either effect a single item or are area based, I suggest the latter rather than the former, although another comparable ritual could effect individual items or people. This is a good ritual and it would be nice to see some flavor in the casting section. Good work! -- "The Magister 10:56, 24 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So my point here is this, you nneed to establish a specific level for this ritual and then set it's difficulty based on the above examples.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>All in all, I think it's a great example of a ritual with a good introduction and reasonable effects. However in the system you need to be a little more specific as to area of effect be ause as written it could work equally well on a broom closet to a ballroom. And usually wards of this nature (and it is a ward) usually either effect a single item or are area based, I suggest the latter rather than the former, although another comparable ritual could effect individual items or people. This is a good ritual and it would be nice to see some flavor in the casting section. Good work! -- "The Magister 10:56, 24 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">So my point here is this, you nneed to establish a specific level for this ritual and then set it's difficulty based on the above examples. All in all, I think it's a great example of a ritual with a good introduction and reasonable effects. However in the system you need to be a little more specific as to area of effect be ause as written it could work equally well on a broom closet to a ballroom. And usually wards of this nature (and it is a ward) usually either effect a single item or are area based, I suggest the latter rather than the former, although another comparable ritual could effect individual items or people. This is a good ritual and it would be nice to see some flavor in the casting section. Good work! -- "The Magister 10:56, 24 October 2018 (MDT)"</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Part of my difficulty in rating these rituals is that there is no power level mentioned. If I look at the difficulty of the roll, I would say it's a level one ritual (4 + 1 = 5) for what has been called a "out-of-clan caster", what this means is that the caster doesn't belong to a bloodline with a hereditary use of blood magic like the Tremere, hence the difficulty of four (4) which combines with the level of the ritual in this case one (1) for a total of five (5). -<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Part of my difficulty in rating these rituals is that there is no power level mentioned. If I look at the difficulty of the roll, I would say it's a level one ritual (4 + 1 = 5) for what has been called a "out-of-clan caster", what this means is that the caster doesn't belong to a bloodline with a hereditary use of blood magic like the Tremere, hence the difficulty of four (4) which combines with the level of the ritual in this case one (1) for a total of five (5).</div></td></tr>
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</table>Brucehttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Spreading_the_Mothers_Thorns&diff=65262&oldid=prevBruce at 15:58, 24 October 20182018-10-24T15:58:07Z<p></p>
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</table>Brucehttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Spreading_the_Mothers_Thorns&diff=65261&oldid=prevBruce: Created page with ";Spreading the Mothers Thorns"2018-10-24T15:48:59Z<p>Created page with ";<a href="/Vampire/index.php/Spreading_the_Mothers_Thorns" title="Spreading the Mothers Thorns">Spreading the Mothers Thorns</a>"</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>;[[Spreading the Mothers Thorns]]</div>Bruce