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Bruce: /* Commentary on the New Text */

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	<span style="color:darkgreen">I probably should have waited till the Description section was completed. -Jamie		<span style="color:darkgreen">I probably should have waited till the Description section was completed. -Jamie

			<span style="color:#4B0082;"> Probably. But to answer your questions, I hadn't gotten around to deleting the old system text yet. -- Bruce

Bruce: /* Old Text of Shadow Feasting */

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> First, I'll point out a typo that survived from the original text to the current: In the "system" paragraph, you've set the difficulty for a perception + alertness while feeding to be "seven (6)." Now that that's out of the way, I'll move on.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> First, I'll point out a typo that survived from the original text to the current: In the "system" paragraph, you've set the difficulty for a perception + alertness while feeding to be "seven (6)." Now that that's out of the way, I'll move on.

Shadow Cat at 19:31, 15 May 2014

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> First, I'll point out a typo that survived from the original text to the current: In the "system" paragraph, you've set the difficulty for a perception + alertness while feeding to be "seven (6)." Now that that's out of the way, I'll move on.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> First, I'll point out a typo that survived from the original text to the current: In the "system" paragraph, you've set the difficulty for a perception + alertness while feeding to be "seven (6)." Now that that's out of the way, I'll move on.

	<span style="color:darkgreen">I'm a little unclear on the self-control rolls involved. I'd like to know your reasoning for including them. I know of no other form of feeding that requires a self-control roll well after the fact (at the end of the scene - possibly up to an hour later, and possibly well after the vitae so acquired has been spent). If they are required, why does a penalty accumulate? -Jamie		<span style="color:darkgreen">I'm a little unclear on the self-control rolls involved. I'd like to know your reasoning for including them. I know of no other form of feeding that requires a self-control roll well after the fact (at the end of the scene - possibly up to an hour later, and possibly well after the vitae so acquired has been spent). If they are required, why does a penalty accumulate?

			<span style="color:darkgreen">I probably should have waited till the Description section was completed. -Jamie

Shadow Cat at 19:30, 15 May 2014

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	<span style="color:#800000;"> '''See Alternate Discipline Technique:''' [[Scavenging Tongues of Darkness]] (Obtenebration 2, Potence 2)		<span style="color:#800000;"> '''See Alternate Discipline Technique:''' [[Scavenging Tongues of Darkness]] (Obtenebration 2, Potence 2)

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			<span style="color:darkgreen"> '''Commentary on the New Text''':

			<span style="color:darkgreen"> First, I'll point out a typo that survived from the original text to the current: In the "system" paragraph, you've set the difficulty for a perception + alertness while feeding to be "seven (6)." Now that that's out of the way, I'll move on.

			<span style="color:darkgreen">I'm a little unclear on the self-control rolls involved. I'd like to know your reasoning for including them. I know of no other form of feeding that requires a self-control roll well after the fact (at the end of the scene - possibly up to an hour later, and possibly well after the vitae so acquired has been spent). If they are required, why does a penalty accumulate? -Jamie

Bruce at 19:22, 12 May 2014

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Bruce at 19:21, 12 May 2014

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> Yes, Kieth, thank you. I always hope that these won't turn into a strictly two-way conversation.<br>		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Yes, Kieth, thank you. I always hope that these won't turn into a strictly two-way conversation.<br>
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			===== <span style="color:#800000;"> '''Description''' =====
			<span style="color:#800000;"> This discipline technique was developed by a Lasombra neonate and neophyte on the [[Road of the Abyss]], who sought to solve a problem of pragmatism: how to feed the thirst of Lasombra warriors in combat without either drinking the blood of enemy vampires (''an activity with obvious negative repercussions and one frowned upon by the Kindred in general, and by the elders specifically'') and or abandoning comrades-in-arms to seek out safe sustenance elsewhere? The solution to the young Magister's dilemma may provoke debate and experimentation among the mystics of the Abyss for years to come, for it posits that in additions to the shadowy denizens of the Abyss, that the shadows of animate beings of this world bear a portion of their creator's life-force and can therefore be fed upon by the Lasombra who is skilled in the technique of '''''Shadow Feasting.'''''

			<span style="color:#800000;"> While the occult principles behind the process are quite complex, the essential points of the theory are fairly simple. The theory behind this idea states that not only do the shadows of animate beings possess a life of their own, which is gained over time via spiritual osmosis, it also posits that the extent of that life-force is directly proportionate to the age of the being who casts the shadow. Thus, the shadows of most beasts and human children possess a relatively shallow pool of shadowy life-force, while the shadows of adult humans would possess a greater depth of shadow-life and the shadows of immortal beings like vampires (especially elders and Methuselah) would hold the deepest shadow-pools of all.

			<span style="color:#800000;"> Obviously, the dark life-force drawn from shadows isn't blood, but life imbued shadow-stuff. This dark life-force, which we will henceforth call ''Obscurum'' (a Latin term meaning: shadowy unknown), would after the activation of the '''''Shadow Feasting''''' technique allow a Lasombra to fill his blood-pool with Obscurum from the shadows of animate beings upon whom he feeds. The devoured Obscurum, if consumed in sufficient quantities, would temporarily prevent the Lasombra from succumbing frenzy due to hunger and would furthermore energize any of the powers of Obtenebration and techniques based upon that dark discipline.

			<span style="color:#800000;"> Among mystics of the Abyss, it is commonly said that the Abyss always takes its due, and so the user of this discipline technique does face certain penalties. Primarily, ''Obscurum'' like the shadows themselves is fleeting stuff, the dark life-force of shadows rarely sustains a Lasombra long after the end of hostilities and thus can place the Lasombra in a perilous position as his thirsty Beast suddenly lunges to the fore, compelling the Magister to feed whether he is in a safe position to do so or not.

			===== <span style="color:#800000;"> '''System''' =====
			<span style="color:#800000;"> To activate the technique, the player rolls Stamina + Occult at a difficulty of six (6) and expends one (1) point of blood. Each success represents an action in which the Lasombra can feed from the shadows of those around him. Clearly, the feeding vampire may only take up to three (3) points of Obscurum (shadow-blood) for each feeding, though, just like any other vampire he may feed beyond the normal three blood points per turn by using the discipline of Celerity to feed. Unlike blood however, Obscurum does not provoke the ecstasy of feeding to the same degree because Obscurum isn't really blood, so the feeding vampire can roll Perception + Alertness at a difficulty of seven (6) rather than the ''customary'' eight (8). This power lasts for a scene and at the end of the scene, the player must roll Self-Control at a difficulty of six (6). Each subsequent activation of this technique in a given night increases the difficulty of the frenzy roll by plus one (+1), and this penalty is cumulative with each successive activation of '''''Shadow Feasting.'''''

			<span style="color:#800000;"> '''Requisite Disciplines:''' Fortitude 3, Obtenebration 5 ([[Tenebrous Avatar]])

			<span style="color:#800000;"> '''Experience Cost:''' 35<br>

			<span style="color:#800000;"> '''References:''' [[Transubstantiation of Essence]] (Level 2 ritual of Abyss Mysticism), [[Drinking the Blood of Ahriman]] (Level 2 ritual of Abyss Mysticism).

			<span style="color:#800000;"> '''See Alternate Discipline Technique:''' [[Scavenging Tongues of Darkness]] (Obtenebration 2, Potence 2)

Shadow Cat at 22:18, 30 April 2014

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	<span style="color:#4B0082;">''Thank you Keith for your two cents worth; I don't know about everyone else, but I like to have as many opinions and comments as possible. Its good to see conversation on the topics of the day or night...as it were.'' -- Bruce		<span style="color:#4B0082;">''Thank you Keith for your two cents worth; I don't know about everyone else, but I like to have as many opinions and comments as possible. Its good to see conversation on the topics of the day or night...as it were.'' -- Bruce

			<span style="color:darkgreen"> Yes, Kieth, thank you. I always hope that these won't turn into a strictly two-way conversation.<br>
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Bruce: /* Commentary on Shadow Feasting */

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	<span style="color:#000080">I know I'm stepping in uninvited, and it looks like you have found a good game solution, but let me throw something out. Shadow is believed to be a primordial essence by Greek mythology. I believe that sufficient trafficking in shadow (as done by a Lasombra) would conceivably give a working knowledge of what drawing on that essence entails. I am also sure that somewhere out there are several tails about shadow binding and its effects on a mortal/immortal. I will keep looking. I would put the power rating higher, also with sufficient study of ancient Greek works on mythology, but very doable. On one level I could see it as a type of pact with a dark being...Several of the powers of shadow evoke a type of "being" into this world if I understand them correctly. I know there is a lot of work to be done...but to a sufficiently crazy or power hungry creature the ability to access the hidden power of a shadows "energy" could be very consuming. Perhaps there are side effects, perhaps a pogrom against using such power. Just because they don't talk about it, doesn't mean that you are the first lunatic shadowmancer to think of it...just the only one alive now to keep asking questions. I'm not saying its viable now, but sounds like a lot of fun exploring. Anyway, just my two cents worth.		<span style="color:#000080">I know I'm stepping in uninvited, and it looks like you have found a good game solution, but let me throw something out. Shadow is believed to be a primordial essence by Greek mythology. I believe that sufficient trafficking in shadow (as done by a Lasombra) would conceivably give a working knowledge of what drawing on that essence entails. I am also sure that somewhere out there are several tails about shadow binding and its effects on a mortal/immortal. I will keep looking. I would put the power rating higher, also with sufficient study of ancient Greek works on mythology, but very doable. On one level I could see it as a type of pact with a dark being...Several of the powers of shadow evoke a type of "being" into this world if I understand them correctly. I know there is a lot of work to be done...but to a sufficiently crazy or power hungry creature the ability to access the hidden power of a shadows "energy" could be very consuming. Perhaps there are side effects, perhaps a pogrom against using such power. Just because they don't talk about it, doesn't mean that you are the first lunatic shadowmancer to think of it...just the only one alive now to keep asking questions. I'm not saying its viable now, but sounds like a lot of fun exploring. Anyway, just my two cents worth.

			<span style="color:#4B0082;">''Thank you Keith for your two cents worth; I don't know about everyone else, but I like to have as many opinions and comments as possible. Its good to see conversation on the topics of the day or night...as it were.'' -- Bruce

Keith: /* Commentary on Shadow Feasting */

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	<span style="color:green">If I understand your final paragraph, you're effectively proposing an "Anti-Obtenebration" power that would allow you to harvest the blood spent by your fellow Lasombra even as you undo their effects? That would make you a particularly effective foil for your opposites within the Sabbat... If this is so, it could be argued that it is an "alternate" power of main-line Obtenebration. The level is hard to pin down, but I'd put it at 2, with the caveat that the user can only affect powers that he or she knows. -Jamie		<span style="color:green">If I understand your final paragraph, you're effectively proposing an "Anti-Obtenebration" power that would allow you to harvest the blood spent by your fellow Lasombra even as you undo their effects? That would make you a particularly effective foil for your opposites within the Sabbat... If this is so, it could be argued that it is an "alternate" power of main-line Obtenebration. The level is hard to pin down, but I'd put it at 2, with the caveat that the user can only affect powers that he or she knows. -Jamie

	<span style="color:~~<span style=~~#000080">I know I'm stepping in uninvited, and it looks like you have found a good game solution, but let me throw something out. Shadow is believed to be a primordial essence by Greek mythology. I believe that sufficient trafficking in shadow (as done by a Lasombra) would conceivably give a working knowledge of what drawing on that essence entails. I am also sure that somewhere out there are several tails about shadow binding and its effects on a mortal/immortal. I will keep looking. I would put the power rating higher, also with sufficient study of ancient Greek works on mythology, but very doable. On one level I could see it as a type of pact with a dark being...Several of the powers of shadow evoke a type of "being" into this world if I understand them correctly. I know there is a lot of work to be done...but to a sufficiently crazy or power hungry creature the ability to access the hidden power of a shadows "energy" could be very consuming. Perhaps there are side effects, perhaps a pogrom against using such power. Just because they don't talk about it, doesn't mean that you are the first lunatic shadowmancer to think of it...just the only one alive now to keep asking questions. I'm not saying its viable now, but sounds like a lot of fun exploring. Anyway, just my two cents worth.		<span style="color:#000080">I know I'm stepping in uninvited, and it looks like you have found a good game solution, but let me throw something out. Shadow is believed to be a primordial essence by Greek mythology. I believe that sufficient trafficking in shadow (as done by a Lasombra) would conceivably give a working knowledge of what drawing on that essence entails. I am also sure that somewhere out there are several tails about shadow binding and its effects on a mortal/immortal. I will keep looking. I would put the power rating higher, also with sufficient study of ancient Greek works on mythology, but very doable. On one level I could see it as a type of pact with a dark being...Several of the powers of shadow evoke a type of "being" into this world if I understand them correctly. I know there is a lot of work to be done...but to a sufficiently crazy or power hungry creature the ability to access the hidden power of a shadows "energy" could be very consuming. Perhaps there are side effects, perhaps a pogrom against using such power. Just because they don't talk about it, doesn't mean that you are the first lunatic shadowmancer to think of it...just the only one alive now to keep asking questions. I'm not saying its viable now, but sounds like a lot of fun exploring. Anyway, just my two cents worth.

Keith: /* Commentary on Shadow Feasting */

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	<span style="color:green">If I understand your final paragraph, you're effectively proposing an "Anti-Obtenebration" power that would allow you to harvest the blood spent by your fellow Lasombra even as you undo their effects? That would make you a particularly effective foil for your opposites within the Sabbat... If this is so, it could be argued that it is an "alternate" power of main-line Obtenebration. The level is hard to pin down, but I'd put it at 2, with the caveat that the user can only affect powers that he or she knows. -Jamie		<span style="color:green">If I understand your final paragraph, you're effectively proposing an "Anti-Obtenebration" power that would allow you to harvest the blood spent by your fellow Lasombra even as you undo their effects? That would make you a particularly effective foil for your opposites within the Sabbat... If this is so, it could be argued that it is an "alternate" power of main-line Obtenebration. The level is hard to pin down, but I'd put it at 2, with the caveat that the user can only affect powers that he or she knows. -Jamie

			<span style="color:<span style=#000080">I know I'm stepping in uninvited, and it looks like you have found a good game solution, but let me throw something out. Shadow is believed to be a primordial essence by Greek mythology. I believe that sufficient trafficking in shadow (as done by a Lasombra) would conceivably give a working knowledge of what drawing on that essence entails. I am also sure that somewhere out there are several tails about shadow binding and its effects on a mortal/immortal. I will keep looking. I would put the power rating higher, also with sufficient study of ancient Greek works on mythology, but very doable. On one level I could see it as a type of pact with a dark being...Several of the powers of shadow evoke a type of "being" into this world if I understand them correctly. I know there is a lot of work to be done...but to a sufficiently crazy or power hungry creature the ability to access the hidden power of a shadows "energy" could be very consuming. Perhaps there are side effects, perhaps a pogrom against using such power. Just because they don't talk about it, doesn't mean that you are the first lunatic shadowmancer to think of it...just the only one alive now to keep asking questions. I'm not saying its viable now, but sounds like a lot of fun exploring. Anyway, just my two cents worth.