Talk:Necromantic Mnemonic Rituals - Revision history

http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ANecromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals Talk:Necromantic Mnemonic Rituals - Revision history 2026-04-28T02:49:30Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.39.11 http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64977&oldid=prev Bruce at 16:17, 4 October 2018 2018-10-04T16:17:32Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:17, 4 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l43">Line 43:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 43:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree that it is good to have a new ST from time to time. I also understand that my character has a large range of abilities that can give any ST a headache. I have no problem with adjusting or changing to meet the changing needs of the game.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree that it is good to have a new ST from time to time. I also understand that my character has a large range of abilities that can give any ST a headache. I have no problem with adjusting or changing to meet the changing needs of the game.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''So, officially the ritual to acquire new or superior abilities has been put up. I invite everyone to check it out and look forward to criticism on the nature of the ritual. Provided it meets with everyone's expectations, then it becomes canon. I expect I will have to clean it up once or twice because first efforts are that way, but I don't expect to change that much. This is a powerful and and theoretically game changing ritual, it could be abused and has addictive qualities. Be careful in using it. And as always...Caveat Emptor!'' -- "The Magister 10:16, 4 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''So, officially the ritual to acquire new or superior abilities has been put up <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- ([[Haematophagy of Mnemosyne and Her Daughters]])</ins>. I invite everyone to check it out and look forward to criticism on the nature of the ritual. Provided it meets with everyone's expectations, then it becomes canon. I expect I will have to clean it up once or twice because first efforts are that way, but I don't expect to change that much. This is a powerful and and theoretically game changing ritual, it could be abused and has addictive qualities. Be careful in using it. And as always...Caveat Emptor!'' -- "The Magister 10:16, 4 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td></tr> </table>

Bruce http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64976&oldid=prev Bruce at 16:16, 4 October 2018 2018-10-04T16:16:21Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:16, 4 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l42">Line 42:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 42:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree that it is good to have a new ST from time to time. I also understand that my character has a large range of abilities that can give any ST a headache. I have no problem with adjusting or changing to meet the changing needs of the game.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree that it is good to have a new ST from time to time. I also understand that my character has a large range of abilities that can give any ST a headache. I have no problem with adjusting or changing to meet the changing needs of the game.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''So, officially the ritual to acquire new or superior abilities has been put up. I invite everyone to check it out and look forward to criticism on the nature of the ritual. Provided it meets with everyone's expectations, then it becomes canon. I expect I will have to clean it up once or twice because first efforts are that way, but I don't expect to change that much. This is a powerful and and theoretically game changing ritual, it could be abused and has addictive qualities. Be careful in using it. And as always...Caveat Emptor!'' -- "The Magister 10:16, 4 October 2018 (MDT)"</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Bruce http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64912&oldid=prev Cloudwalker at 22:50, 3 October 2018 2018-10-03T22:50:23Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:50, 3 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l40">Line 40:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 40:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry if that came off badly. I am only voicing concerns. I am not changing any rules in the future without input from the players. Again, for me this is all about voicing concerns and considerations. I want the game to be fun and consistent. Those are my over riding concerns. Fun and Consistent. '''Keith '''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry if that came off badly. I am only voicing concerns. I am not changing any rules in the future without input from the players. Again, for me this is all about voicing concerns and considerations. I want the game to be fun and consistent. Those are my over riding concerns. Fun and Consistent. '''Keith '''</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">------</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I agree that it is good to have a new ST from time to time. I also understand that my character has a large range of abilities that can give any ST a headache. I have no problem with adjusting or changing to meet the changing needs of the game.</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Cloudwalker http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64878&oldid=prev Keith at 03:18, 3 October 2018 2018-10-03T03:18:02Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:18, 2 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l35">Line 35:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 35:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My 2 Cents. We have talked about Magic Styles before (Wanga, Hermetic, Setite) as being harder to learn. We dropped it as an unneeded complexity to an already complex system. Morgan and I have the longest list of rituals and a great number of them are self made. I agree that my char's Path of Enlightment doesn't have direct affect on his magic, it might flavor rituals he comes up with in the future but more from a flavor stand point.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My 2 Cents. We have talked about Magic Styles before (Wanga, Hermetic, Setite) as being harder to learn. We dropped it as an unneeded complexity to an already complex system. Morgan and I have the longest list of rituals and a great number of them are self made. I agree that my char's Path of Enlightment doesn't have direct affect on his magic, it might flavor rituals he comes up with in the future but more from a flavor stand point.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>-------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>-------</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just to be clear, in my eyes, Magic is not a gun or a chemistry set. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> Just because you as a player knows something is possible, doesn't mean that a given character can make it work, or that it works the way the character thinks it might. On the whole I am a hard core old style game master that while letting a lot of stuff play out, is not above "making it so" because it's my world and I am even above God. </del>I'm letting stuff ride here, this is a good discussion. I just want everyone to know my concerns as a storyteller. '''Keith 19:12 MST, 10/2/2018'''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just to be clear, in my eyes, Magic is not a gun or a chemistry set. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </ins>I'm letting stuff ride here, this is a good discussion. I just want everyone to know my concerns as a storyteller. '''Keith 19:12 MST, 10/2/2018'''</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Gentlemen -- I think this one issue, while mildly significant, is far from the most important issue to spend so much time on. I am putting up the ritual tonight in the next hour, so we can discuss it more then. I feel we have let a relatively minor issue cloud up a very good game session. I think the introduction of a new storyteller has thrown the players for a bit of the loop, but I also believe its good for all of us to experience a new storyteller from time to time and I feel that most of last session was singularly positive. It has always been an issue when a different storyteller took primacy in the game even for short periods of time. As I recall, Brian, you recieved more than your fair share of criticism from the players when you were running us all in London against Dylan. I actually thought your performance was stellar, but new storytellers breed resistance because change causes friction. I know for a fact that you and I struggled under Jamie as storyteller for over a year and he could be quite exacting. Lets all be on our best behavior with each other as people and the game will work itself out. -- "The Magister 20:02, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Gentlemen -- I think this one issue, while mildly significant, is far from the most important issue to spend so much time on. I am putting up the ritual tonight in the next hour, so we can discuss it more then. I feel we have let a relatively minor issue cloud up a very good game session. I think the introduction of a new storyteller has thrown the players for a bit of the loop, but I also believe its good for all of us to experience a new storyteller from time to time and I feel that most of last session was singularly positive. It has always been an issue when a different storyteller took primacy in the game even for short periods of time. As I recall, Brian, you recieved more than your fair share of criticism from the players when you were running us all in London against Dylan. I actually thought your performance was stellar, but new storytellers breed resistance because change causes friction. I know for a fact that you and I struggled under Jamie as storyteller for over a year and he could be quite exacting. Lets all be on our best behavior with each other as people and the game will work itself out. -- "The Magister 20:02, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry if that came off badly. I am only voicing concerns. I am not changing any rules in the future without input from the players. Again, for me this is all about voicing concerns and considerations. I want the game to be fun and consistent. Those are my over riding concerns. Fun and Consistent. '''Keith '''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry if that came off badly. I am only voicing concerns. I am not changing any rules in the future without input from the players. Again, for me this is all about voicing concerns and considerations. I want the game to be fun and consistent. Those are my over riding concerns. Fun and Consistent. '''Keith '''</div></td></tr> </table>

Keith http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64872&oldid=prev Keith at 03:05, 3 October 2018 2018-10-03T03:05:34Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:05, 2 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l38">Line 38:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 38:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Gentlemen -- I think this one issue, while mildly significant, is far from the most important issue to spend so much time on. I am putting up the ritual tonight in the next hour, so we can discuss it more then. I feel we have let a relatively minor issue cloud up a very good game session. I think the introduction of a new storyteller has thrown the players for a bit of the loop, but I also believe its good for all of us to experience a new storyteller from time to time and I feel that most of last session was singularly positive. It has always been an issue when a different storyteller took primacy in the game even for short periods of time. As I recall, Brian, you recieved more than your fair share of criticism from the players when you were running us all in London against Dylan. I actually thought your performance was stellar, but new storytellers breed resistance because change causes friction. I know for a fact that you and I struggled under Jamie as storyteller for over a year and he could be quite exacting. Lets all be on our best behavior with each other as people and the game will work itself out. -- "The Magister 20:02, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Gentlemen -- I think this one issue, while mildly significant, is far from the most important issue to spend so much time on. I am putting up the ritual tonight in the next hour, so we can discuss it more then. I feel we have let a relatively minor issue cloud up a very good game session. I think the introduction of a new storyteller has thrown the players for a bit of the loop, but I also believe its good for all of us to experience a new storyteller from time to time and I feel that most of last session was singularly positive. It has always been an issue when a different storyteller took primacy in the game even for short periods of time. As I recall, Brian, you recieved more than your fair share of criticism from the players when you were running us all in London against Dylan. I actually thought your performance was stellar, but new storytellers breed resistance because change causes friction. I know for a fact that you and I struggled under Jamie as storyteller for over a year and he could be quite exacting. Lets all be on our best behavior with each other as people and the game will work itself out. -- "The Magister 20:02, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">------</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sorry if that came off badly. I am only voicing concerns. I am not changing any rules in the future without input from the players. Again, for me this is all about voicing concerns and considerations. I want the game to be fun and consistent. Those are my over riding concerns. Fun and Consistent. '''Keith '''</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Keith http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64871&oldid=prev Bruce at 02:03, 3 October 2018 2018-10-03T02:03:48Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:03, 2 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l37">Line 37:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 37:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just to be clear, in my eyes, Magic is not a gun or a chemistry set. Just because you as a player knows something is possible, doesn't mean that a given character can make it work, or that it works the way the character thinks it might. On the whole I am a hard core old style game master that while letting a lot of stuff play out, is not above "making it so" because it's my world and I am even above God. I'm letting stuff ride here, this is a good discussion. I just want everyone to know my concerns as a storyteller. '''Keith 19:12 MST, 10/2/2018'''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just to be clear, in my eyes, Magic is not a gun or a chemistry set. Just because you as a player knows something is possible, doesn't mean that a given character can make it work, or that it works the way the character thinks it might. On the whole I am a hard core old style game master that while letting a lot of stuff play out, is not above "making it so" because it's my world and I am even above God. I'm letting stuff ride here, this is a good discussion. I just want everyone to know my concerns as a storyteller. '''Keith 19:12 MST, 10/2/2018'''</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Gentlemen -- <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Think </del>this one issue, while mildly significant, is far from the most important issue to spend so much time on. I am putting up the ritual tonight in the next hour, so we can discuss it more then. I feel we have let a relatively minor issue cloud up a very good game session. I think the introduction of a new storyteller has thrown the players for a bit of the loop, but I also believe its good for all of us to experience a new storyteller from time to time and I feel that most of last session was singularly positive. It has always been an issue when a different storyteller took primacy in the game even for short periods of time. As I recall, Brian, you recieved more than your fair share of criticism from the players when you were running us all in London against Dylan. I actually thought your performance was stellar, but new storytellers breed resistance because change causes friction. I know for a fact that you and I struggled under Jamie as storyteller for over a year and he could be quite exacting. Lets all be on our best behavior with each other as people and the game will work itself out. -- "The Magister 20:02, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Gentlemen -- <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I think </ins>this one issue, while mildly significant, is far from the most important issue to spend so much time on. I am putting up the ritual tonight in the next hour, so we can discuss it more then. I feel we have let a relatively minor issue cloud up a very good game session. I think the introduction of a new storyteller has thrown the players for a bit of the loop, but I also believe its good for all of us to experience a new storyteller from time to time and I feel that most of last session was singularly positive. It has always been an issue when a different storyteller took primacy in the game even for short periods of time. As I recall, Brian, you recieved more than your fair share of criticism from the players when you were running us all in London against Dylan. I actually thought your performance was stellar, but new storytellers breed resistance because change causes friction. I know for a fact that you and I struggled under Jamie as storyteller for over a year and he could be quite exacting. Lets all be on our best behavior with each other as people and the game will work itself out. -- "The Magister 20:02, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td></tr> </table>

Bruce http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64870&oldid=prev Bruce at 02:02, 3 October 2018 2018-10-03T02:02:36Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:02, 2 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l36">Line 36:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 36:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>-------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>-------</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just to be clear, in my eyes, Magic is not a gun or a chemistry set. Just because you as a player knows something is possible, doesn't mean that a given character can make it work, or that it works the way the character thinks it might. On the whole I am a hard core old style game master that while letting a lot of stuff play out, is not above "making it so" because it's my world and I am even above God. I'm letting stuff ride here, this is a good discussion. I just want everyone to know my concerns as a storyteller. '''Keith 19:12 MST, 10/2/2018'''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just to be clear, in my eyes, Magic is not a gun or a chemistry set. Just because you as a player knows something is possible, doesn't mean that a given character can make it work, or that it works the way the character thinks it might. On the whole I am a hard core old style game master that while letting a lot of stuff play out, is not above "making it so" because it's my world and I am even above God. I'm letting stuff ride here, this is a good discussion. I just want everyone to know my concerns as a storyteller. '''Keith 19:12 MST, 10/2/2018'''</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gentlemen -- Think this one issue, while mildly significant, is far from the most important issue to spend so much time on. I am putting up the ritual tonight in the next hour, so we can discuss it more then. I feel we have let a relatively minor issue cloud up a very good game session. I think the introduction of a new storyteller has thrown the players for a bit of the loop, but I also believe its good for all of us to experience a new storyteller from time to time and I feel that most of last session was singularly positive. It has always been an issue when a different storyteller took primacy in the game even for short periods of time. As I recall, Brian, you recieved more than your fair share of criticism from the players when you were running us all in London against Dylan. I actually thought your performance was stellar, but new storytellers breed resistance because change causes friction. I know for a fact that you and I struggled under Jamie as storyteller for over a year and he could be quite exacting. Lets all be on our best behavior with each other as people and the game will work itself out. -- "The Magister 20:02, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Bruce http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64860&oldid=prev Keith at 01:15, 3 October 2018 2018-10-03T01:15:01Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:15, 2 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l34">Line 34:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 34:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My 2 Cents. We have talked about Magic Styles before (Wanga, Hermetic, Setite) as being harder to learn. We dropped it as an unneeded complexity to an already complex system. Morgan and I have the longest list of rituals and a great number of them are self made. I agree that my char's Path of Enlightment doesn't have direct affect on his magic, it might flavor rituals he comes up with in the future but more from a flavor stand point.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My 2 Cents. We have talked about Magic Styles before (Wanga, Hermetic, Setite) as being harder to learn. We dropped it as an unneeded complexity to an already complex system. Morgan and I have the longest list of rituals and a great number of them are self made. I agree that my char's Path of Enlightment doesn't have direct affect on his magic, it might flavor rituals he comes up with in the future but more from a flavor stand point.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-------</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Just to be clear, in my eyes, Magic is not a gun or a chemistry set. Just because you as a player knows something is possible, doesn't mean that a given character can make it work, or that it works the way the character thinks it might. On the whole I am a hard core old style game master that while letting a lot of stuff play out, is not above "making it so" because it's my world and I am even above God. I'm letting stuff ride here, this is a good discussion. I just want everyone to know my concerns as a storyteller. '''Keith 19:12 MST, 10/2/2018'''</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Keith http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64858&oldid=prev Cloudwalker at 21:33, 2 October 2018 2018-10-02T21:33:25Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:33, 2 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l31">Line 31:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 31:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Keith - We can talk more about it when I get the ritual put up, its almost finished and then I will post it for commentary. Many, but not all the issues will be addressed. The crossing of styles is a function of Tremere magical thinking in which whatever works best can be adapted, but religious magic does have proscriptions in Blood Magic - Secrets of Thaumaturgy and Blood Sacrifice - The Thaumaturgy Companion. Good examples include Wanga and Setite Sorcery. Its conceivable that my own character Egon will be affected by the counter-resonance of Abyss mysticism vs Setite Sorcery. -- "The Magister 14:17, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Keith - We can talk more about it when I get the ritual put up, its almost finished and then I will post it for commentary. Many, but not all the issues will be addressed. The crossing of styles is a function of Tremere magical thinking in which whatever works best can be adapted, but religious magic does have proscriptions in Blood Magic - Secrets of Thaumaturgy and Blood Sacrifice - The Thaumaturgy Companion. Good examples include Wanga and Setite Sorcery. Its conceivable that my own character Egon will be affected by the counter-resonance of Abyss mysticism vs Setite Sorcery. -- "The Magister 14:17, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">------</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">My 2 Cents. We have talked about Magic Styles before (Wanga, Hermetic, Setite) as being harder to learn. We dropped it as an unneeded complexity to an already complex system. Morgan and I have the longest list of rituals and a great number of them are self made. I agree that my char's Path of Enlightment doesn't have direct affect on his magic, it might flavor rituals he comes up with in the future but more from a flavor stand point.</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Cloudwalker http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Necromantic_Mnemonic_Rituals&diff=64857&oldid=prev Bruce at 20:17, 2 October 2018 2018-10-02T20:17:07Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:17, 2 October 2018</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l28">Line 28:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 28:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thanks, I will think on it. '''Keith 1:49 MST 10/2/2018'''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thanks, I will think on it. '''Keith 1:49 MST 10/2/2018'''</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>------</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Keith - We can talk more about it when I get the ritual put up, its almost finished and then I will post it for commentary. Many, but not all the issues will be addressed. The crossing of styles is a function of Tremere magical thinking in which whatever works best can be adapted, but religious magic does have proscriptions in Blood Magic - Secrets of Thaumaturgy and Blood Sacrifice - The Thaumaturgy Companion. Good examples include Wanga and Setite Sorcery. Its conceivable that my own character Egon will be affected by the counter-resonance of Abyss mysticism vs Setite Sorcery. -- "The Magister 14:17, 2 October 2018 (MDT)"</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Bruce