http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ADistillation_of_Life%27s_EssenceTalk:Distillation of Life's Essence - Revision history2026-04-05T20:35:52ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.11http://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22923&oldid=prevShadow Cat at 21:26, 16 September 20142014-09-16T21:26:03Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*a 50/50 split for blood taken out of the ghoul seems pretty high to me. Among the many rules whitewolf presented for ghouls, I believe only one allows a mortal to essentially ''double'' his blood pool, and that one required that the ghoul be extremely old. There's no way that a ghoul with only a point or two of vitae in his system should yield even one unless drained to the point of death or beyond. As a ST, wing it if you want, or use the (relatively simple) formula. -Jamie</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*a 50/50 split for blood taken out of the ghoul seems pretty high to me. Among the many rules whitewolf presented for ghouls, I believe only one allows a mortal to essentially ''double'' his blood pool, and that one required that the ghoul be extremely old. There's no way that a ghoul with only a point or two of vitae in his system should yield even one unless drained to the point of death or beyond. As a ST, wing it if you want, or use the (relatively simple) formula. -Jamie</div></td></tr>
</table>Shadow Cathttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22913&oldid=prevShadow Cat at 19:13, 16 September 20142014-09-16T19:13:46Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*The possibility of using this ritual to extract blood and then clone it to make enough to raise generation is addressed in the mechanics of the clone-blood ritual. That ritual requires that the caster already possess blood of equal or greater generation than the blood to be cloned.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*The possibility of using this ritual to extract blood and then clone it to make enough to raise generation is addressed in the mechanics of the clone-blood ritual. That ritual requires that the caster already possess blood of equal or greater generation than the blood to be cloned.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*a 50/50 split for blood taken out of the ghoul seems pretty high to me. Among the many rules whitewolf presented for ghouls, I believe only one allows a mortal to essentially ''double'' his blood pool, and that one required that the ghoul be extremely old. There's no way that a ghoul with only a point or two of vitae in his system should yield even one unless drained to the point of death or beyond. As a ST, wing it if you want, or use the (relatively simple) formula. -Jamie</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*a 50/50 split for blood taken out of the ghoul seems pretty high to me. Among the many rules whitewolf presented for ghouls, I believe only one allows a mortal to essentially ''double'' his blood pool, and that one required that the ghoul be extremely old. There's no way that a ghoul with only a point or two of vitae in his system should yield even one unless drained to the point of death or beyond. As a ST, wing it if you want, or use the (relatively simple) formula. -Jamie</div></td></tr>
</table>Shadow Cathttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22912&oldid=prevShadow Cat at 19:13, 16 September 20142014-09-16T19:13:16Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*on that note, if it keeps identity it would be a higher level ritual.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*on that note, if it keeps identity it would be a higher level ritual.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*for both this and Jamie's new blood clone ritual i am worried about use in other rituals. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Specfically </del>the ritual to raise someone generation. Can you pull blood out of a ghoul and use it to clone(yes in my opinion) can you then keep cloning till you have enough to raise your generation(ouch, some game balance issues here)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*for both this and Jamie's new blood clone ritual i am worried about use in other rituals. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Specifically </ins>the ritual to raise someone generation. Can you pull blood out of a ghoul and use it to clone(yes in my opinion) can you then keep cloning till you have enough to raise your generation(ouch, some game balance issues here)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*I would rather leave math out of it. Make a simple progression. You can get 1 blood point for every 2 you take from the ghoul up to what they have in their system. Does not address the fact that it should be easier the more they have but....</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*I would rather leave math out of it. Make a simple progression. You can get 1 blood point for every 2 you take from the ghoul up to what they have in their system. Does not address the fact that it should be easier the more they have but....</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*a 50/50 split for blood taken out of the ghoul seems pretty high to me. Among the many rules whitewolf presented for ghouls, I believe only one allows a mortal to essentially ''double'' his blood pool, and that one required that the ghoul be extremely old. There's no way that a ghoul with only a point or two of vitae in his system should yield even one unless drained to the point of death or beyond. As a ST, wing it if you want, or use the (relatively simple) formula. -Jamie</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Shadow Cathttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22908&oldid=prevCloudwalker at 18:15, 16 September 20142014-09-16T18:15:13Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* True Identity and much more (existing bonds and lineage) can be learned from vitae at level 2. I think that extracting that vitae from the ghoul's blood is all I need - this ritual does not ''need'' to independently learn the identity of the donors so long as that identity remains part of the extracted vitae and can be discovered separately. Simply ''unmixing'' a mixed solution is something I did in chemistry lab 1: I don't think that advanced magic is involved. Level 3 seems high to me, but reasonable.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* True Identity and much more (existing bonds and lineage) can be learned from vitae at level 2. I think that extracting that vitae from the ghoul's blood is all I need - this ritual does not ''need'' to independently learn the identity of the donors so long as that identity remains part of the extracted vitae and can be discovered separately. Simply ''unmixing'' a mixed solution is something I did in chemistry lab 1: I don't think that advanced magic is involved. Level 3 seems high to me, but reasonable.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*On a related point, (here I'm arguing with Brian) Level 1 Path of Blood can tell among several other things when the vampire (or ghoul for that matter) last fed. It doesn't seem to be too much an advance on that augury to determine ''who'' the ghoul has fed on, especially if the information is specific, not one of a number of questions. Of course, there are other ways to determine this, but I hate to resort to temporal scrying for everything.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*On a related point, (here I'm arguing with Brian) Level 1 Path of Blood can tell among several other things when the vampire (or ghoul for that matter) last fed. It doesn't seem to be too much an advance on that augury to determine ''who'' the ghoul has fed on, especially if the information is specific, not one of a number of questions. Of course, there are other ways to determine this, but I hate to resort to temporal scrying for everything.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*The fact that someone could be bound by drinking from a ghoul is one of my base reasons for the addition or removal of Identity in this ritual. If feeding from a ghoul can bind you to the kindred who's vitae the ghoul has, then the blood has kept it's identity and the caster can get it, if not....I would be looking for a different example on Kindred vitae in a ghoul keeping identity....</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Cloudwalkerhttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22907&oldid=prevShadow Cat at 17:02, 16 September 20142014-09-16T17:02:57Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* True Identity and much more (existing bonds and lineage) can be learned from vitae at level 2. I think that extracting that vitae from the ghoul's blood is all I need - this ritual does not ''need'' to independently learn the identity of the donors so long as that identity remains part of the extracted vitae and can be discovered separately. Simply ''unmixing'' a mixed solution is something I did in chemistry lab 1: I don't think that advanced magic is involved. Level 3 seems high to me, but reasonable.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* True Identity and much more (existing bonds and lineage) can be learned from vitae at level 2. I think that extracting that vitae from the ghoul's blood is all I need - this ritual does not ''need'' to independently learn the identity of the donors so long as that identity remains part of the extracted vitae and can be discovered separately. Simply ''unmixing'' a mixed solution is something I did in chemistry lab 1: I don't think that advanced magic is involved. Level 3 seems high to me, but reasonable.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Shadow Cathttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22906&oldid=prevShadow Cat at 16:58, 16 September 20142014-09-16T16:58:41Z<p></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: Apparently, there is strenuous disagreement on whether one can become blood-bound by drinking from another's ghouls. I rather think not, but as a character, I have never been willing to test the theory. I don't know of anything from canon, except in the very early stages of our gaming (in which one of Brian's characters became blood bound by diablerizing three of someone's childer - a proposition I find ludicrous) that supports either side. I do think that it should be possible to extract the identity of a ghoul's donors from the blood. I'm trying to come up with a way to extract both vitae and identity, but Brian thinks the identity is wiped when the vitae is consumed.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* True Identity and much more (existing bonds and lineage) can be learned from vitae at level 2. I think that extracting that vitae from the ghoul's blood is all I need - this ritual does not ''need'' to independently learn the identity of the donors so long as that identity remains part of the extracted vitae and can be discovered separately. Simply ''unmixing'' a mixed solution is something I did in chemistry lab 1: I don't think that advanced magic is involved. Level 3 seems high to me, but reasonable.</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Shadow Cathttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22851&oldid=prevBruce at 00:15, 15 September 20142014-09-15T00:15:14Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* Actually Jamie, I believe it was you who originally suggested that once blood was consumed, that it lost its identity, but that was pretty early <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">one </del>and in your defense at the time it was a compelling argument. Today, I would disagree, in the case of mortal blood being consumed by a vampire that idea would make sense, but vampire blood or vitae is a different matter, the mages call it tass, so its is many order of magnitudes more powerful and would maintain its donor's resonance despite mortal consumption. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* Actually Jamie, I believe it was you who originally suggested that once blood was consumed, that it lost its identity, but that was pretty early <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">on </ins>and in your defense at the time it was a compelling argument. Today, I would disagree, in the case of mortal blood being consumed by a vampire that idea would make sense, but vampire blood or vitae is a different matter, the mages call it tass, so its is many order of magnitudes more powerful and would maintain its donor's resonance despite mortal consumption. </div></td></tr>
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</table>Brucehttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22850&oldid=prevBruce at 00:14, 15 September 20142014-09-15T00:14:53Z<p></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:* Actually Jamie, I believe it was you who originally suggested that once blood was consumed, that it lost its identity, but that was pretty early one and in your defense at the time it was a compelling argument. Today, I would disagree, in the case of mortal blood being consumed by a vampire that idea would make sense, but vampire blood or vitae is a different matter, the mages call it tass, so its is many order of magnitudes more powerful and would maintain its donor's resonance despite mortal consumption. </ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Brucehttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22849&oldid=prevShadow Cat at 17:47, 14 September 20142014-09-14T17:47:30Z<p></p>
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</table>Shadow Cathttp://maierstorm.org/Vampire/index.php?title=Talk:Distillation_of_Life%27s_Essence&diff=22844&oldid=prevShadow Cat at 04:13, 14 September 20142014-09-14T04:13:05Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* (I'm making this up as I go...) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">An extremely </del>complicated alchemecal apparatus has many outputs for different end products. It might be possible to overwhelm it, leaving all "extra" products in a single dross recepticle, but it is unlikely in the case of a ghoul's blood.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* (I'm making this up as I go...) <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A </ins>complicated alchemecal apparatus has many outputs for different end products. It might be possible to overwhelm it, leaving all "extra" products in a single dross recepticle, but it is unlikely in the case of a ghoul's blood.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* The math is not ''necessary'': it is simply an aid to the storyteller to determine how much vitae could be extracted from a sample of ghoul blood. Whether or not a full blood point is extracted, there is still at least a ''little.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* The math is not ''necessary'': it is simply an aid to the storyteller to determine how much vitae could be extracted from a sample of ghoul blood. Whether or not a full blood point is extracted, there is still at least a ''little.''</div></td></tr>
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