Talk:Brian's Work in Progress - Revision history

Shadow Cat at 19:56, 10 July 2014

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	I struggled with that, still not sure which it should be. The current weapon series is all Thaumaturgy, not sure if it would integrate well with a necromancy spell.		I struggled with that, still not sure which it should be. The current weapon series is all Thaumaturgy, not sure if it would integrate well with a necromancy spell.

	Remember this is adding to all the other weapons rituals, it is difficult because it must ~~intagrate~~ with all the other ones. The number 7 came from total health levels that a person has, and since it piggie backs on the damage of the weapon if you only do 5 damage all 5 would give you health levels but you would not get 2 more. On the other side if you did 9 damage, they would still take 9 ~~aggrivated~~ levels(assuming the weapon did agg) but caster would get 7 health levels back.		Remember this is adding to all the other weapons rituals, it is difficult because it must integrate with all the other ones. The number 7 came from total health levels that a person has, and since it piggie backs on the damage of the weapon if you only do 5 damage all 5 would give you health levels but you would not get 2 more. On the other side if you did 9 damage, they would still take 9 aggravated levels(assuming the weapon did agg) but caster would get 7 health levels back.

	For the Sacrifice I wanted to have something that connected the life force of the victem being sacrificed directly back to the caster. It sets up and gives a channel for the ~~permanant~~ draw of life force directly to the caster.		For the Sacrifice I wanted to have something that connected the life force of the victem being sacrificed directly back to the caster. It sets up and gives a channel for the permanent draw of life force directly to the caster.

	This is a ~~permanant~~ enchantment so I didn't feel limited time frame was unweildy. for diff on the roll, I could make it 8, the 7 just went with everything else and seemed good.		This is a permanent enchantment so I didn't feel limited time frame was unweildy. for diff on the roll, I could make it 8, the 7 just went with everything else and seemed good.

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			====Title: Goid na Beatha do Fhuinneamh (Theft of Life Energy) ====
	<span style="color:darkgreen"> Most humans have 10 or 12 health levels, depending on the source: This is how much damage the body can take before it is completely oblitterated. This is somewhat different from how much damage the body can take before it is too damaged to sustain life: the 8th damage level kill. Some people (those with the [[Huge Size]] merit have an extra one, and there are other ways to gain extra health levels (some advanced combat forms, [[True Berserk]], etc).		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Most humans have 10 or 12 health levels, depending on the source: This is how much damage the body can take before it is completely oblitterated. This is somewhat different from how much damage the body can take before it is too damaged to sustain life: the 8th damage level kill. Some people (those with the [[Huge Size]] merit) have an extra one, and there are other ways to gain extra health levels (some advanced combat forms, [[True Berserk]], etc).

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> Of course, it is life force that is of interest, particularly to a vampire, not physical health levels. Cutting a corpse in half to "steal" its remaining structural integrity shouldn't do anything. The blade should steal any health levels that move its victim closer to death (including the one that kills it) no matter how much damage it does.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Of course, it is life force that is of interest, particularly to a vampire, not physical health levels. Cutting a corpse in half to "steal" its remaining structural integrity shouldn't do anything. The blade should steal any health levels that move its victim closer to death (including the one that kills it) no matter how much damage it does.

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to ~~effectivly~~ create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to effectively create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.

	<span style="color:darkgreen">Comparing this ritual to [[Blades of Thanatos]] is instructive. It exceeds the rank 3 ritual in several ways: First, it is permanent: The blade is not destroyed in the act. Second, the amount of life it may steal is not limited by the number of successes on the casting roll, but only by the amount of damage it inflicts. Third, the ritual does not preclude further enchantment of the blade, allowing you to make the blade aggravated, quicker, etc. Fourth, you may use steel or any other material, not just bone.		<span style="color:darkgreen">Comparing this ritual to [[Blades of Thanatos]] is instructive. It exceeds the rank 3 ritual in several ways: First, it is permanent: The blade is not destroyed in the act. Second, the amount of life it may steal is not limited by the number of successes on the casting roll, but only by the amount of damage it inflicts. Third, the ritual does not preclude further enchantment of the blade, allowing you to make the blade aggravated, quicker, etc. Fourth, you may use steel or any other material, not just bone.

Shadow Cat: /* Title: Goid na Beatha do Fhuinneamh (Theft of Life Energy) */

2014-06-20T18:04:32Z

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	<span style="color:darkgreen">Further review of ''Blades of Thanatos'' indicates that ''Blades'' is a particularly arduous low level ritual to cast. It must be cast three times, and the caster must sacrifice ''his own'' health each time. Whether this is comparable, as a sacrifice, to the life of an mortal foe (a mortal who attacked the caster) is debatable, but the caster's own health is certainly more valuable, "point for point" than that of an insignificant mortal whom the caster would rather died anyway. I wonder if some continuing sacrifice might be required. Wayland-Forged Blades require a monthly tithe, as do other powerful artifact weapons.		<span style="color:darkgreen">Further review of ''Blades of Thanatos'' indicates that ''Blades'' is a particularly arduous low level ritual to cast. It must be cast three times, and the caster must sacrifice ''his own'' health each time. Whether this is comparable, as a sacrifice, to the life of an mortal foe (a mortal who attacked the caster) is debatable, but the caster's own health is certainly more valuable, "point for point" than that of an insignificant mortal whom the caster would rather died anyway. I wonder if some continuing sacrifice might be required. Wayland-Forged Blades require a monthly tithe, as do other powerful artifact weapons.

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a further cost, I believe that ''any'' permanent magical enchantment requires the expenditure of at least one point of willpower.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a further cost, I believe that ''any'' permanent magical enchantment requires the expenditure of at least one point of willpower. In this case, that's pretty cheap, since you won't be casting this regularly on the way into combat.

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> In a way, it might benefit you to incorporate Necromantic rituals into the creation of your custom blades. You already rival the Damoscene and Wayland Marked Blades of legend. Figure out a form of celerity or precognition, and yours will be ''better.'' - and a life sucking ability may be arguably better than an extra action. Mixing your magics makes the feat nearly impossible to duplicate.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> In a way, it might benefit you to incorporate Necromantic rituals into the creation of your custom blades. You already rival the Damoscene and Wayland Marked Blades of legend. Figure out a form of celerity or precognition, and yours will be ''better.'' - and a life sucking ability may be arguably better than an extra action. Mixing your magics makes the feat nearly impossible to duplicate.

			<span style="color:darkgreen"> Anyway, I hope this helped. As with Bruce, I'm trying to be constructive and help your process along, not tell you that you are doing things wrong. In fact, I think that this ritual is far more "right" than "wrong." Like most things, it needs a little tweaking before being put into production.

	<span style="color:darkgreen">-Jamie		<span style="color:darkgreen">-Jamie

Shadow Cat at 18:01, 20 June 2014

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to effectivly create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to effectivly create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.

			<span style="color:darkgreen">Comparing this ritual to [[Blades of Thanatos]] is instructive. It exceeds the rank 3 ritual in several ways: First, it is permanent: The blade is not destroyed in the act. Second, the amount of life it may steal is not limited by the number of successes on the casting roll, but only by the amount of damage it inflicts. Third, the ritual does not preclude further enchantment of the blade, allowing you to make the blade aggravated, quicker, etc. Fourth, you may use steel or any other material, not just bone.

			<span style="color:darkgreen">Further review of ''Blades of Thanatos'' indicates that ''Blades'' is a particularly arduous low level ritual to cast. It must be cast three times, and the caster must sacrifice ''his own'' health each time. Whether this is comparable, as a sacrifice, to the life of an mortal foe (a mortal who attacked the caster) is debatable, but the caster's own health is certainly more valuable, "point for point" than that of an insignificant mortal whom the caster would rather died anyway. I wonder if some continuing sacrifice might be required. Wayland-Forged Blades require a monthly tithe, as do other powerful artifact weapons.

			<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a further cost, I believe that ''any'' permanent magical enchantment requires the expenditure of at least one point of willpower.

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> In a way, it might benefit you to incorporate Necromantic rituals into the creation of your custom blades. You already rival the Damoscene and Wayland Marked Blades of legend. Figure out a form of celerity or precognition, and yours will be ''better.'' - and a life sucking ability may be arguably better than an extra action. Mixing your magics makes the feat nearly impossible to duplicate.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> In a way, it might benefit you to incorporate Necromantic rituals into the creation of your custom blades. You already rival the Damoscene and Wayland Marked Blades of legend. Figure out a form of celerity or precognition, and yours will be ''better.'' - and a life sucking ability may be arguably better than an extra action. Mixing your magics makes the feat nearly impossible to duplicate.

Shadow Cat: /* Title: Éadaí de ceo agus scáth (Clothing of Mist and Shadow) */

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> It looks ok as is, though pretty limited.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> It looks ok as is, though pretty limited.

			<span style="color:darkgreen">- Jamie

Shadow Cat: /* Title: Ullmhacht Litrithe Cath Treoraí ar (Battle Mage's Spell Readiness) */

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> Third is the issue of balance. As you write it, this ritual is ''better'' than another of the same level, specifically [[Icon]]. It is better because it can hold a wider variety of magic, and it is ''cheaper'' in that you suggest it requires (maybe) only one willpower, whereas to store six magics permanently would require six willpower using Icon. Since no one has ever thought that Icon was ''underpowered'' for its level, I think these two factors push this ritual into the rank 6 range.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Third is the issue of balance. As you write it, this ritual is ''better'' than another of the same level, specifically [[Icon]]. It is better because it can hold a wider variety of magic, and it is ''cheaper'' in that you suggest it requires (maybe) only one willpower, whereas to store six magics permanently would require six willpower using Icon. Since no one has ever thought that Icon was ''underpowered'' for its level, I think these two factors push this ritual into the rank 6 range.

			<span style="color:darkgreen">- Jamie

	====Title: Éadaí de ceo agus scáth (Clothing of Mist and Shadow) ====		====Title: Éadaí de ceo agus scáth (Clothing of Mist and Shadow) ====

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> It looks ok as is, though pretty limited.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> It looks ok as is, though pretty limited.

Shadow Cat: /* Title: Goid na Beatha do Fhuinneamh (Theft of Life Energy) */

2014-06-20T17:47:42Z

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> Most humans have 10 or 12 health levels, depending on the source: This is how much damage the body can take before it is completely oblitterated. This is somewhat different from how much damage the body can take before it is too damaged to sustain life: the 8th level kill. Some people (those with the [[Huge Size]] merit have an extra one, and there are other ways to gain extra health levels (some advanced combat forms, [[True Berserk]], etc).		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Most humans have 10 or 12 health levels, depending on the source: This is how much damage the body can take before it is completely oblitterated. This is somewhat different from how much damage the body can take before it is too damaged to sustain life: the 8th damage level kill. Some people (those with the [[Huge Size]] merit have an extra one, and there are other ways to gain extra health levels (some advanced combat forms, [[True Berserk]], etc).

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> Of course, it is life force that is of interest, particularly to a vampire, not physical health levels. Cutting a corpse in half to "steal" its remaining structural integrity shouldn't do anything. The blade should steal any health levels that move its victim closer to death (including the one that kills it) no matter how much damage it does.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Of course, it is life force that is of interest, particularly to a vampire, not physical health levels. Cutting a corpse in half to "steal" its remaining structural integrity shouldn't do anything. The blade should steal any health levels that move its victim closer to death (including the one that kills it) no matter how much damage it does.

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to effectivly create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to effectivly create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.

			<span style="color:darkgreen"> In a way, it might benefit you to incorporate Necromantic rituals into the creation of your custom blades. You already rival the Damoscene and Wayland Marked Blades of legend. Figure out a form of celerity or precognition, and yours will be ''better.'' - and a life sucking ability may be arguably better than an extra action. Mixing your magics makes the feat nearly impossible to duplicate.

	<span style="color:darkgreen">-Jamie		<span style="color:darkgreen">-Jamie

Shadow Cat: /* Title: Ullmhacht Litrithe Cath Treoraí ar (Battle Mage's Spell Readiness) */

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	====Title: Ullmhacht Litrithe Cath Treoraí ar (Battle Mage's Spell Readiness) ====		====Title: Ullmhacht Litrithe Cath Treoraí ar (Battle Mage's Spell Readiness) ====

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a permanent version of suspension of incantation (basically an Icon for , I can see this. What I don't understand is why it ~~requies~~ multiples: Icon and suspension can both be activated as often as ~~feasable~~. Suspension has a more flexible trigger, allowing it to be activated with or without the caster's intervention (targeting a dozen suspensions on the next person to open a particular door, or the next person at whom you point and say "die!" can be a nasty trick.) Given the previously existing work, using a single piece of jewelry with multiple gems to hold the magic is possible but not necessary.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a permanent version of suspension of incantation (basically an Icon for path magic, I can see this. What I don't understand is why it requires multiples: Icon and suspension can both be activated as often as feasible. Suspension has a more flexible trigger, allowing it to be activated with or without the caster's intervention (targeting a dozen suspensions on the next person to open a particular door, or the next person at whom you point and say "die!" can be a nasty trick.) Given the previously existing work, using a single piece of jewelry with multiple gems to hold the magic is possible but not necessary.

			<span style="color:darkgreen">Upon rereading, I see a couple of issues.

			<span style="color:darkgreen">First, you use the phrase, "The magic is set with the casters will." (end of the casting section) Does this mean that the caster spends a point of willpower? To balance with other similar magics, it should require a willpower ''per spell stored.''

			<span style="color:darkgreen">Second, I think you are saying that activation can occur as a free action, and only when the caster specifically wills it to happen. Most triggered magic requires something - an action, a word, whatever - to set it off. Will might be allowable, but it is dangerous: stray thoughts might cause you to accidentally "fireball" someone who is mouthing off in Elysium. After all, wouldn't it be so much easier if they were facing you on the field of combat?

			<span style="color:darkgreen"> Third is the issue of balance. As you write it, this ritual is ''better'' than another of the same level, specifically [[Icon]]. It is better because it can hold a wider variety of magic, and it is ''cheaper'' in that you suggest it requires (maybe) only one willpower, whereas to store six magics permanently would require six willpower using Icon. Since no one has ever thought that Icon was ''underpowered'' for its level, I think these two factors push this ritual into the rank 6 range.

	====Title: Éadaí de ceo agus scáth (Clothing of Mist and Shadow) ====		====Title: Éadaí de ceo agus scáth (Clothing of Mist and Shadow) ====

	<span style="color:darkgreen"> It looks ok as is, though pretty limited.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> It looks ok as is, though pretty limited.

Shadow Cat: /* Title: Ullmhacht Litrithe Cath Treoraí ar (Battle Mage's Spell Readiness) */

2014-06-20T02:37:30Z

Title: Ullmhacht Litrithe Cath Treoraí ar (Battle Mage's Spell Readiness)

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a permanent version of suspension of incantation (basically an Icon for , I can see this. What I don't understand is why it requies multiples: Icon and suspension can both be activated as often as feasable. Suspension has a more flexible trigger, allowing it to be activated with or without the caster's intervention (targeting a dozen suspensions on the next person to open a particular door, or the next person at whom you point and say "die!" can be a nasty trick.) Given the previously existing work, using a single piece of jewelry with multiple gems to hold the magic is possible but not necessary.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a permanent version of suspension of incantation (basically an Icon for , I can see this. What I don't understand is why it requies multiples: Icon and suspension can both be activated as often as feasable. Suspension has a more flexible trigger, allowing it to be activated with or without the caster's intervention (targeting a dozen suspensions on the next person to open a particular door, or the next person at whom you point and say "die!" can be a nasty trick.) Given the previously existing work, using a single piece of jewelry with multiple gems to hold the magic is possible but not necessary.

			====Title: Éadaí de ceo agus scáth (Clothing of Mist and Shadow) ====

			<span style="color:darkgreen"> It looks ok as is, though pretty limited.

Shadow Cat at 02:23, 20 June 2014

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	<span style="color:darkgreen"> Most humans have 10 or 12 health levels, depending on the source: This is how much damage the body can take before it is completely oblitterated. This is somewhat different from how much damage the body can take before it is too damaged to sustain life: the 8th level kill. Some people (those with the [[Huge Size]] merit have an extra one, and there are other ways to gain extra health levels (some advanced combat forms, [[True Berserk]], etc).		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Most humans have 10 or 12 health levels, depending on the source: This is how much damage the body can take before it is completely oblitterated. This is somewhat different from how much damage the body can take before it is too damaged to sustain life: the 8th level kill. Some people (those with the [[Huge Size]] merit have an extra one, and there are other ways to gain extra health levels (some advanced combat forms, [[True Berserk]], etc).

	<span style=color:"darkgreen"> Of course, it is life force that is of interest, particularly to a vampire, not physical health levels. Cutting a corpse in half to "steal" its remaining structural integrity shouldn't do anything. The blade should steal any health levels that move its victim closer to death (including the one that kills it) no matter how much damage it does.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> Of course, it is life force that is of interest, particularly to a vampire, not physical health levels. Cutting a corpse in half to "steal" its remaining structural integrity shouldn't do anything. The blade should steal any health levels that move its victim closer to death (including the one that kills it) no matter how much damage it does.

	<span style=color:"darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to effectivly create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.		<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a master of both Necromancy and Thaumaturgy, I believe you can tailor your own rituals to work with one another no matter what school they come from (that is not to say that you can mix schools within one ritual). As a matter of research, you can make it do either, but it would be easier for you to effectivly create a permanent Blade of Thanatos via necromancy rather than create a life-stealing blade via Thaumaturgy.

	<span style=color:"darkgreen">-Jamie		<span style="color:darkgreen">-Jamie

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			<span style="color:darkgreen"> As a permanent version of suspension of incantation (basically an Icon for , I can see this. What I don't understand is why it requies multiples: Icon and suspension can both be activated as often as feasable. Suspension has a more flexible trigger, allowing it to be activated with or without the caster's intervention (targeting a dozen suspensions on the next person to open a particular door, or the next person at whom you point and say "die!" can be a nasty trick.) Given the previously existing work, using a single piece of jewelry with multiple gems to hold the magic is possible but not necessary.

Shadow Cat at 02:05, 20 June 2014

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	<span style="color:#4B0082;"> '''Title:''' Goid na Beatha do Fhuinneamh (Theft of Life Energy)		=====<span style="color:#4B0082;"> '''Title:''' Goid na Beatha do Fhuinneamh (Theft of Life Energy) =====

	<span style="color:#4B0082;"> '''Bruce's Opinion:''' Ok, I am going to admit right now that I don't fully understand whether this is supposed to be Thaumaturgy or Necromancy. The style says Thaumaturgy, but the effect is very necromantic, so much so that it appears to duplicate of a necromancy spell, one that you have Brian -- [[Blades of Thanatos]]. The thing that is weird about this is that you have increased the level to five, making casting harder and the ritual only gives you seven of the victim's health levels. So what gives, why do it this way??		<span style="color:#4B0082;"> '''Bruce's Opinion:''' Ok, I am going to admit right now that I don't fully understand whether this is supposed to be Thaumaturgy or Necromancy. The style says Thaumaturgy, but the effect is very necromantic, so much so that it appears to duplicate of a necromancy spell, one that you have Brian -- [[Blades of Thanatos]]. The thing that is weird about this is that you have increased the level to five, making casting harder and the ritual only gives you seven of the victim's health levels. So what gives, why do it this way??